i just pulled up yesterday, i was at the university of chicago with david axelrod at the institute of politics. we had a full-spectrum discussion on gun control and politics in american life. so i pulled up stan mcchrystal's statement here last week, which was very strong. and then i read all the reactions to it from the bloggers. and what you got -- and i raised this on the stage -- what you got were the guys who were saying, in effect, the old charlton heston line, you're going to have to pry my dead cold fingers, because when the government comes to my door, i've got to fight back. a very smart guy, steve chapman, said that's the exception. i spent a lot of time out there. there are a lot of people who believe that, and we've got to get beyond that discussion as well. and other nra members who are in the sporting weapons business, who are there because they like to get access to the information about hunting and the wide use of weapons, they've got to speak up. >> reverend al, i go back to the video games or movies or violence that's in the media, there is such a terrible response